Roger Simon takes on Krugman's morning Times column:
06/03/2003: THE TROUBLE WITH KRUGMAN
What appalls me about this morning’s Paul Krugman NYTimes column about WMDs are not the factual errors, bad as they may be, reported on Instapundit and elsewhere, but the continued “Old Consciousness” Krugman’s article represents.
What factual errors in this morning's column? Instapundit does not list any. Neither does Simon -- he just states that they are there, that they are "bad," and his is appalled. Just saying that they are there doesn't make it so.
He and, alas, too many of my one-time allies on the Left are still mired in a “gotcha game,” attempting to dethrone George Bush at all costs, as if that were the most important action in the world, while the rest of us have moved on.
There is nothing wrong with being critical of the government or of our leaders. This isn't a "gotcha game" -- it's democracy. It's important. I wonder where Simon has "moved on" to.
This “Old Consciousness,” call it politics-as-usual or pre-9/11 or Party Politics, if you will, has placed Krugman and his ilk clearly, and I assume inadvertently, on the side of fascism—what should be a very uncomfortable spot for a left/liberal, former or otherwise. But on the side of fascism they are because the focus on missing WMDs, instead of on the unearthing of thousands of mass graves and the overthrow of a brutal, torturing regime that supported terrorism, distorts the reality of the victory in Iraq, which has already freed the people of that country and has changed the equation in the Middle East so that Israeli-Palestinian peace seems possible for the first time in years.
Krugman and his ilk are fascists? Or are on the side of fascism? Sticks and stones.
Krugman address this issue (of the "overthrow of a brutal, torturing regime") in his column: "It's no answer to say that Saddam was a murderous tyrant. I could point out that many of the neoconservatives who fomented this war were nonchalant, or worse, about mass murders by Central American death squads in the 1980's. But the important point is that this isn't about Saddam: it's about us. The public was told that Saddam posed an imminent threat. If that claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the worst scandal in American political history — worse than Watergate, worse than Iran-contra. Indeed, the idea that we were deceived into war makes many commentators so uncomfortable that they refuse to admit the possibility."
The question remain: Was Saddam an imminent threat?
But Krugman must get the demon Bush, using any pretext he can, the WMDs in this case. But let’s give Paul his due. Let’s stipulate, even though we have no way of knowing at this point, the presence of these weapons was exaggerated by the administration; I still say—so what? Saddam’s gone. It was worth it. And I ask Krugman this simple question: What if some leader had used a similar ruse to get rid of Hitler in 1940? What would he think of that?
Prediction: We won’t be hearing a Krugman answer to that one any time soon.
I'll answer it.
I'm sure -- positive in fact -- that some leader would have LOVED to have used any ruse necessary to have gotten rid of Hitler in 1940. But, of course, no ruse was necessary in 1940. Great Britian and France were already at war against Germany.
And, does Simon genuine believe what he wrote in that paragraph? That it doesn't matter if our leaders -- and I'm not saying they did, he's saying that if they did, it doesn't matter -- if our leaders lie to us? That only the end result matters?
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And, does Simon genuine believe what he wrote in that paragraph? That it doesn't matter if our leaders -- and I'm not saying they did, he's saying that if they did, it doesn't matter -- if our leaders lie to us? That only the end result matters?
I never had sex with that woman!
Posted by Richard | June 3, 2003 8:55 PM
Posted on June 3, 2003 20:55
Partha, read the link on Instapundit to David Hogberg.
Posted by Dave S | June 3, 2003 10:07 PM
Posted on June 3, 2003 22:07
I'm sure -- positive in fact -- that some leader would have LOVED to have used any ruse necessary to have gotten rid of Hitler in 1940. But, of course, no ruse was necessary in 1940. Great Britian and France were already at war against Germany.
Because certainly Great Britain and France (at least, the part of France that didn't surrender to and ally with Hitler) would certainly have defeated him without American help.
If you want, Partha, change the date to 1938.
Posted by Dave S | June 3, 2003 10:11 PM
Posted on June 3, 2003 22:11
It's now widely believed that LBJ lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in order to escalate our involvement in Vietnam. I wonder why Krugman doesn't think that was the worst scandal in American history. Is it because
(A) Krugman hates Bush
(B) LBJ was a Democrat
(C) Krugman hates Bush
(D) Krugman is historically ignorant
(E) Krugman hates Bush
(F) All of the above.
(I'll take F. Krugman has a habit of declaring that whatever Bush has done that he disapproves of is the only time in history that anything like that has ever happened. (Remember the carrier landing? "No president in history ever wore a uniform before."))
Posted by David Nieporent | June 3, 2003 11:06 PM
Posted on June 3, 2003 23:06
So I guess everyone feels it is completely consistent with our Constitution and with principles of democracy that the president can start a war for his own reasons, without justifying it in advance to Congress or the American people. Great. I guess being a democrat (small d) is quaint in these trying times.
And if FDR had fabricated (I'm not accusing Bush of this) or misled the American people into joining a war, that would have been a scandal. The beauty and brilliance of FDR's policy is that even absent Pearl Harbor, he had steadily and deliberately persuaded and prepared the American people for the need for war.
And all of you who are crying for the plight of Iraqi children, I remind you that we've had sanctions against Burma for years now. They rape, and drug children, and force them to fight and kill. Any calls for invasion and occupation? I didn't think so. So please drop the pretense.
Posted by Amitava Mazumdar | June 6, 2003 6:03 PM
Posted on June 6, 2003 18:03